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		<title>By: Leo</title>
		<link>http://theemtspot.com/2010/04/03/the-c-spine-helmet-issue/comment-page-1/#comment-4184</link>
		<dc:creator>Leo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2010 21:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Consideration after the decision to leaving an open face helmet on a Pt without shoulderpads, like a skier or motorcyclist, is the need to place a length of folded towel or pad under the shoulders and behind the scapulas.
Reason; The head to body proportion of helmeted adult heads are similar to that of nonhelmeted children.
Effect; Head and neck are put into a neutral position and the airway is put into a more patent position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Consideration after the decision to leaving an open face helmet on a Pt without shoulderpads, like a skier or motorcyclist, is the need to place a length of folded towel or pad under the shoulders and behind the scapulas.<br />
Reason; The head to body proportion of helmeted adult heads are similar to that of nonhelmeted children.<br />
Effect; Head and neck are put into a neutral position and the airway is put into a more patent position.</p>
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		<title>By: The EMT Spot &#187; Understanding Kinetic Energy and Trauma</title>
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		<dc:creator>The EMT Spot &#187; Understanding Kinetic Energy and Trauma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2010 02:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Oct 2010 07:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an emt/motorcycle rider, I leave the helmet unless it is obstructing the ABCs. There really is too much that could go wrong that would open you up for a lawsuit otherwise. There are even attorneys now that is specializing in this issue here in CA and NV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an emt/motorcycle rider, I leave the helmet unless it is obstructing the ABCs. There really is too much that could go wrong that would open you up for a lawsuit otherwise. There are even attorneys now that is specializing in this issue here in CA and NV.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 19:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is an interesting product that I have seen used and it is quite amazing!

http://www.shockdoctor.com/products/eject-helmet-removal-system.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is an interesting product that I have seen used and it is quite amazing!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.shockdoctor.com/products/eject-helmet-removal-system.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.shockdoctor.com/products/eject-helmet-removal-system.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>By: Stephanei</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 00:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have worked at a car/motorcycle race track for the last 4 summers and this is always a topic of discussion. We are trained and tested frequently throughout each season. I personally prefer taking the helmets off, it kind of wards off the evil spirits of bad or non existent airways, the emesis gods, and the trouble breathing spirits too. I&#039;d rather be prepared and nothing happen than not prepare and and face the consequences. I have to agree that you have to know how to properly remove one, and the best way to ensure you are doing it properly is practice it properly. 
Steve, this was a great article with good an daccurate info. I appreciate what your doing and love getting the newsletters, and I even follow you on Twitter. Thanks again and keep up the good work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have worked at a car/motorcycle race track for the last 4 summers and this is always a topic of discussion. We are trained and tested frequently throughout each season. I personally prefer taking the helmets off, it kind of wards off the evil spirits of bad or non existent airways, the emesis gods, and the trouble breathing spirits too. I&#8217;d rather be prepared and nothing happen than not prepare and and face the consequences. I have to agree that you have to know how to properly remove one, and the best way to ensure you are doing it properly is practice it properly.<br />
Steve, this was a great article with good an daccurate info. I appreciate what your doing and love getting the newsletters, and I even follow you on Twitter. Thanks again and keep up the good work!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 10:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have to agree on all of this.  Our textbook says to remove the helmet if it doesn&#039;t fit properly or could compromise airyway interventions.  I guess I&#039;m just not sure why there would be any questions on when or if to remove a helmet.  I am new to this so perhaps I&#039;m benefitting from years of trial and error that I don&#039;t have to endure.  If that&#039;s the case, then thank you everyone who came before me.  It makes it much easier on us new guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have to agree on all of this.  Our textbook says to remove the helmet if it doesn&#8217;t fit properly or could compromise airyway interventions.  I guess I&#8217;m just not sure why there would be any questions on when or if to remove a helmet.  I am new to this so perhaps I&#8217;m benefitting from years of trial and error that I don&#8217;t have to endure.  If that&#8217;s the case, then thank you everyone who came before me.  It makes it much easier on us new guys.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Whitehead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Whitehead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 15:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Renee Thanks for your additions. It&#039;s hard to get folks to practice these moves but it really does help. When someone shows up at the station riding a motorcycle, just ask. &quot;Hey, let&#039;s see if we can take that off you without pulling on your neck.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Renee Thanks for your additions. It&#8217;s hard to get folks to practice these moves but it really does help. When someone shows up at the station riding a motorcycle, just ask. &#8220;Hey, let&#8217;s see if we can take that off you without pulling on your neck.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Whitehead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Whitehead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Brittany Doh! The take it with you advice is so good, I;m a little frustrated I missed it. Thanks for that addition. I&#039;m considering going back and adding it to the original piece (With all credit do)

I&#039;d add one thing to it. Don&#039;t just bring it for the doctor...examine it for yourself. Check it out good. And then, when you get to the hospital, hand it to the doctor and tell him what you think. Subtle but important difference. Thanks for the addition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Brittany Doh! The take it with you advice is so good, I;m a little frustrated I missed it. Thanks for that addition. I&#8217;m considering going back and adding it to the original piece (With all credit do)</p>
<p>I&#8217;d add one thing to it. Don&#8217;t just bring it for the doctor&#8230;examine it for yourself. Check it out good. And then, when you get to the hospital, hand it to the doctor and tell him what you think. Subtle but important difference. Thanks for the addition.</p>
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		<title>By: Renee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Renee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 02:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since I work at football games every fall, as well as mountain bike races where racers use full face helmets (Especially downhill mountain bike races), I feel the need to chime in on this one...

First PRACTICE REMOVING HELMETS! This technique of holding c-spine from the front is odd, and takes practice to get down pat. Go to a local football practice and ask the coach/trainer if you can practice on some players. Or borrow some helmets and guinea pig each other. Get to know how you need to place your hands depending on the player&#039;s build. No-neck players vs tall skinny ones... tighter helmets vs looser. Like any other skill, practice, practice, practice.

When removing the helmet, be aware that some helmets fit so tight, you may need the person with the longest thinnest fingers to hold the head from the front while the other removes the helmet. Gloves that are loose on our hands make it harder to hold c-spine on these patients. 

Do not &quot;open&quot; the helmet by pulling the rounded area surrounding the player&#039;s ears. This actually causes a flex to the helmet and changes the shape enough that makes it harder to remove the helmet, and increases risk of further c-spine injury to the player.

For a time, we left the helmets and pads on football players on, but getting the faceplates off has been problematic, as sometimes the screws are rusted and impossible to unscrew, or stripped outright. And honestly, it takes a LOT of time. If I am stabilizing a patient, and feel the need to leave the helmet on, I have the trainer work on removing the screws.

Many schools are not purchasing new equipment due to budgetary constraints, and not all helmets have the &quot;snap-away&quot; faceplates that can be removed with shears. Local FD policy is to remove helmets, but sometimes they forget about the pads. If we leave helmet and pads on, we ALWAYS use foam Head Blocks and copious tape to secure them to the board.

Downhill MTB helmets with the Leatt brace system are becoming popular, especially among younger racers. We did have a racer volunteer to lay down on a board to visual alignment one day. There is no benefit to leaving the helmet and brace on. It does not keep the neck in alignment. It actually takes them out of alignment. We will remove these, especially since most downhill MTB helmets are full face, and cover the mouth. And the tight helmet issue is a problem with this group as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I work at football games every fall, as well as mountain bike races where racers use full face helmets (Especially downhill mountain bike races), I feel the need to chime in on this one&#8230;</p>
<p>First PRACTICE REMOVING HELMETS! This technique of holding c-spine from the front is odd, and takes practice to get down pat. Go to a local football practice and ask the coach/trainer if you can practice on some players. Or borrow some helmets and guinea pig each other. Get to know how you need to place your hands depending on the player&#8217;s build. No-neck players vs tall skinny ones&#8230; tighter helmets vs looser. Like any other skill, practice, practice, practice.</p>
<p>When removing the helmet, be aware that some helmets fit so tight, you may need the person with the longest thinnest fingers to hold the head from the front while the other removes the helmet. Gloves that are loose on our hands make it harder to hold c-spine on these patients. </p>
<p>Do not &#8220;open&#8221; the helmet by pulling the rounded area surrounding the player&#8217;s ears. This actually causes a flex to the helmet and changes the shape enough that makes it harder to remove the helmet, and increases risk of further c-spine injury to the player.</p>
<p>For a time, we left the helmets and pads on football players on, but getting the faceplates off has been problematic, as sometimes the screws are rusted and impossible to unscrew, or stripped outright. And honestly, it takes a LOT of time. If I am stabilizing a patient, and feel the need to leave the helmet on, I have the trainer work on removing the screws.</p>
<p>Many schools are not purchasing new equipment due to budgetary constraints, and not all helmets have the &#8220;snap-away&#8221; faceplates that can be removed with shears. Local FD policy is to remove helmets, but sometimes they forget about the pads. If we leave helmet and pads on, we ALWAYS use foam Head Blocks and copious tape to secure them to the board.</p>
<p>Downhill MTB helmets with the Leatt brace system are becoming popular, especially among younger racers. We did have a racer volunteer to lay down on a board to visual alignment one day. There is no benefit to leaving the helmet and brace on. It does not keep the neck in alignment. It actually takes them out of alignment. We will remove these, especially since most downhill MTB helmets are full face, and cover the mouth. And the tight helmet issue is a problem with this group as well.</p>
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		<title>By: GrahamBoone</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Apr 2010 18:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah in our class it was leave it unless the airway is compromised, but I like the precaution of at least clearing the airway.  And they never told us about pads, I wish we had some specific sports injury dummies with sporting gear to visualize how it all worked.  

As for helmet removal I would never want to do that one-person.  The diagram in our textbook just looked like a how-to-get-sued manual.

I&#039;m currently waiting for my state license, passed my NREMT-B exam.  While I&#039;m really excited, I&#039;m worried that a lot of stuff we should have learned in class was pretty much omitted.  But with a combination of an open mind, personal research, and great blogs like this, maybe I can fill in some of those blank spots.  Please keep up this awesome blog.  And compile it into a book someday!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah in our class it was leave it unless the airway is compromised, but I like the precaution of at least clearing the airway.  And they never told us about pads, I wish we had some specific sports injury dummies with sporting gear to visualize how it all worked.  </p>
<p>As for helmet removal I would never want to do that one-person.  The diagram in our textbook just looked like a how-to-get-sued manual.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m currently waiting for my state license, passed my NREMT-B exam.  While I&#8217;m really excited, I&#8217;m worried that a lot of stuff we should have learned in class was pretty much omitted.  But with a combination of an open mind, personal research, and great blogs like this, maybe I can fill in some of those blank spots.  Please keep up this awesome blog.  And compile it into a book someday!</p>
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