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		<title>By: A Trilogy on Termination &#124; Sacramento Medical Training</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Trilogy on Termination &#124; Sacramento Medical Training</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 20:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] termination on scene, but because the cardiac arrest patient is a baby we feel the need to “Just Transport The Baby”, as opposed to performing “CPR [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Grand Rounds Volume 6, Number 16 : The Covert Rationing Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grand Rounds Volume 6, Number 16 : The Covert Rationing Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a similar vein, Steve from The EMT Spot considers yet another point of apparent EMT dogma - a &#8220;rule&#8221; that is often taught to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: BeenThere</title>
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		<dc:creator>BeenThere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow......difficult topic.  As a firefighter/medic who has had a child die, I have seen both sides of the issue.  My 3 1/2 y.o son died in my arms on the way to the hospital several years ago.....that being said I have also participated several in pediatric arrests in my 21 years of EMS.  My last one was an unsuccessful 20 month old that was ultimately classified as SIDS.  As for this topic, I fall somewhere in the middle, I can appreciate the efforts of a provider that is not mentally or psychologically prepared to &quot;make the call&quot; and does all he/she can for the patient .  I also appreciate responders who, in those RARE situations where there is absolutely no hope, handle it with professional tact and compassion.

Death is the punctuation of every life and is not foreign to us as humans, we will all grieve and handle the situation in our own ways.  You can never predict how a family or loved one will react to this tragic situation.

My FD brothers handled a call a few years back (I thank the Lord I was not on this call, it was right after my sons death) where a four year old had his head crushed in an elevator that had the safety mechanisms disabled.  His head was crushed, he was in arrest, but he had some agonal breathing.  They did everything they could knowing it was going to be futile (his brain was hanging out the top of his head), they did the right thing.  The mother stopped by a week later and needed to know that they did everything, this was part of her grieving.  The fact is, when her son died, she then became the patient and the treatment of her son was, in reality, treatment for her.

As care providers it is a fine line we all have to walk, as a rule if I have to err, I try to err on the side of patient advocacy and care.  In the event of foul play or some other untoward circumstance, this may mean preserving the scene vs. resuscitation. I just hope I never have to make that call......

Keep up the good work.....discussions like this keeps us all sharp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230;&#8230;difficult topic.  As a firefighter/medic who has had a child die, I have seen both sides of the issue.  My 3 1/2 y.o son died in my arms on the way to the hospital several years ago&#8230;..that being said I have also participated several in pediatric arrests in my 21 years of EMS.  My last one was an unsuccessful 20 month old that was ultimately classified as SIDS.  As for this topic, I fall somewhere in the middle, I can appreciate the efforts of a provider that is not mentally or psychologically prepared to &#8220;make the call&#8221; and does all he/she can for the patient .  I also appreciate responders who, in those RARE situations where there is absolutely no hope, handle it with professional tact and compassion.</p>
<p>Death is the punctuation of every life and is not foreign to us as humans, we will all grieve and handle the situation in our own ways.  You can never predict how a family or loved one will react to this tragic situation.</p>
<p>My FD brothers handled a call a few years back (I thank the Lord I was not on this call, it was right after my sons death) where a four year old had his head crushed in an elevator that had the safety mechanisms disabled.  His head was crushed, he was in arrest, but he had some agonal breathing.  They did everything they could knowing it was going to be futile (his brain was hanging out the top of his head), they did the right thing.  The mother stopped by a week later and needed to know that they did everything, this was part of her grieving.  The fact is, when her son died, she then became the patient and the treatment of her son was, in reality, treatment for her.</p>
<p>As care providers it is a fine line we all have to walk, as a rule if I have to err, I try to err on the side of patient advocacy and care.  In the event of foul play or some other untoward circumstance, this may mean preserving the scene vs. resuscitation. I just hope I never have to make that call&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>Keep up the good work&#8230;..discussions like this keeps us all sharp.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Whitehead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Whitehead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 16:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an addition, David Konig has an interesting dissenting opinion on this series.

http://davidkonig.com/2010/because-its-not-all-motions-and-theater/

Thanks David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an addition, David Konig has an interesting dissenting opinion on this series.</p>
<p><a href="http://davidkonig.com/2010/because-its-not-all-motions-and-theater/" rel="nofollow">http://davidkonig.com/2010/because-its-not-all-motions-and-theater/</a></p>
<p>Thanks David</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Whitehead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Whitehead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 16:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sean &quot;I’m not sure if I can talk with those parents as competently as I would like regarding why I didn’t transport their child and have them fully believe that we did do all we could do in our resuscitation efforts before I made the call to pronounce their once joyous child. Great topic this one will stick with me for months.&quot;

It&#039;s true Sean. It&#039;s easy to take the high road and say ... just tell them. But it truly is delivering the worst possible news you could ever deliver to another human being. It&#039;s earth shattering. Right thing to do or not, it&#039;s unspeakably difficult. And we should recognize that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sean &#8220;I’m not sure if I can talk with those parents as competently as I would like regarding why I didn’t transport their child and have them fully believe that we did do all we could do in our resuscitation efforts before I made the call to pronounce their once joyous child. Great topic this one will stick with me for months.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true Sean. It&#8217;s easy to take the high road and say &#8230; just tell them. But it truly is delivering the worst possible news you could ever deliver to another human being. It&#8217;s earth shattering. Right thing to do or not, it&#8217;s unspeakably difficult. And we should recognize that.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Whitehead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Whitehead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 16:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Timothy Both valid concerns for sure.

@Greg Thanks Greg, I really liked your contribution as well.

@Happy &quot;be honest, be professional and let the family grieve in their own way, not ours.&quot; Great advice and I agree with it . but, by no means is that an easy thing to do. Of course, If we wanted easy work we could have been toll booth operators.

@Kris, Thanks for sharing. I agree that asking is a powerful tool. I use it often when I&#039;m working adult CORs. I&#039;ve never asked parents what they wanted. I could see some benefits and some negatives to putting that decision on them. You&#039;d need to feel out the situation.

@Graeme I think the Broslow tape is a God send and I carry one with me. you bring up an excellent point about the complexities of pedi resuscitation. They certainly factor in.

@Rogue Thanks Tim, I appreciate that.

@CBEMT It really frustrates me to hear about protocols that prevent EMTs from using good judgement. Sorry dude.

@Jameson, I agree.

@ CBEMT I think Greg Friese of www.everydayemstips.com is looking for people who have protocols preventing them from stopping pedi CPR. I think he&#039;d be very interested in your protocol. Send him an email.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Timothy Both valid concerns for sure.</p>
<p>@Greg Thanks Greg, I really liked your contribution as well.</p>
<p>@Happy &#8220;be honest, be professional and let the family grieve in their own way, not ours.&#8221; Great advice and I agree with it . but, by no means is that an easy thing to do. Of course, If we wanted easy work we could have been toll booth operators.</p>
<p>@Kris, Thanks for sharing. I agree that asking is a powerful tool. I use it often when I&#8217;m working adult CORs. I&#8217;ve never asked parents what they wanted. I could see some benefits and some negatives to putting that decision on them. You&#8217;d need to feel out the situation.</p>
<p>@Graeme I think the Broslow tape is a God send and I carry one with me. you bring up an excellent point about the complexities of pedi resuscitation. They certainly factor in.</p>
<p>@Rogue Thanks Tim, I appreciate that.</p>
<p>@CBEMT It really frustrates me to hear about protocols that prevent EMTs from using good judgement. Sorry dude.</p>
<p>@Jameson, I agree.</p>
<p>@ CBEMT I think Greg Friese of <a href="http://www.everydayemstips.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.everydayemstips.com</a> is looking for people who have protocols preventing them from stopping pedi CPR. I think he&#8217;d be very interested in your protocol. Send him an email.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Fontaine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Fontaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 02:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve et al, thanks  for taking on this topic. I was always taught and have tried to teach others when given the chance that the best way to treat any patient is how you would best treat a family member in similar circumstances. Since, having had our two beautiful little boys I realize that even with that credo, I didn&#039;t fully appreciate how to talk with and treat my young pediatric patients, how to help curb their anxiety, until I understood why my boys were afraid/anxious. Reading this helped me examine the fact that I&#039;m in those shoes again; as a parent I haven&#039;t lost any children to traumatic causes and obviously hope not to, but again I&#039;m not sure if I can talk with those parents as competently as I would like regarding why I didn&#039;t transport their child and have them fully believe that we did do all we could do in our resuscitation efforts before I made the call to pronounce their once joyous child. Great topic this one will stick with me for months.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve et al, thanks  for taking on this topic. I was always taught and have tried to teach others when given the chance that the best way to treat any patient is how you would best treat a family member in similar circumstances. Since, having had our two beautiful little boys I realize that even with that credo, I didn&#8217;t fully appreciate how to talk with and treat my young pediatric patients, how to help curb their anxiety, until I understood why my boys were afraid/anxious. Reading this helped me examine the fact that I&#8217;m in those shoes again; as a parent I haven&#8217;t lost any children to traumatic causes and obviously hope not to, but again I&#8217;m not sure if I can talk with those parents as competently as I would like regarding why I didn&#8217;t transport their child and have them fully believe that we did do all we could do in our resuscitation efforts before I made the call to pronounce their once joyous child. Great topic this one will stick with me for months.</p>
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		<title>By: Because It&#8217;s Not All Motions and Theater</title>
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		<dc:creator>Because It&#8217;s Not All Motions and Theater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 18:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  David at 7 January, 2010, 2:27 pm    I came across a series of interesting posts from Greg Friese, Steve Whitehead, and Chris Kaiser regarding the common practice of &#8220;CPR Theater&#8221; or &#8220;Going [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  David at 7 January, 2010, 2:27 pm    I came across a series of interesting posts from Greg Friese, Steve Whitehead, and Chris Kaiser regarding the common practice of &#8220;CPR Theater&#8221; or &#8220;Going [...]</p>
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		<title>By: CBEMT</title>
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		<dc:creator>CBEMT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 14:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wish I could be more so.  I hate dangling carrots, I know it&#039;s aggravating.  That said, I&#039;ve paid a price in the past for being too specific with my location, and ergo my identity, while participating in online discussions.  

I&#039;d probably have a blog myself if it weren&#039;t for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wish I could be more so.  I hate dangling carrots, I know it&#8217;s aggravating.  That said, I&#8217;ve paid a price in the past for being too specific with my location, and ergo my identity, while participating in online discussions.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d probably have a blog myself if it weren&#8217;t for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Jameson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jameson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 03:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I...guess that&#039;s...helpful of you?</description>
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